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hello and welcome to need to know the program\h
that brings you the latest news and analysis on\h\h

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the phenomenon of uaps unidentified anomalous\h
phenomena the subject that can no longer be\h\h

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ridiculed or stigmatized and I'll just bring\h
in my colleague in crime from Los Angeles Bryce\h\h

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zabel good day Bryce how are you mate good\h
day Roscoe well I'm great and uh I'll tell\h\h

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you something though this interview that you\h
did with David grush the exclusive interview\h\h

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has just sent ripples of intensity across the\h
UFO Community around the world and I can't even\h\h

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keep up with all the implications of it my\h
name is David gresh you know I came from a\h\h

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blue collar family in Pittsburgh I didn't have\h
the money for college always admired people in\h\h

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uniform and I've always wanted to be a part\h
of something bigger than myself you know 18\h\h

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years ago you know I got an Air Force scholarship\h
for physics I originally commissioned on active\h\h

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duty in the air force uh served 14 years in\h
the Air Force I look at this Photograph Dave\h\h

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and I see a very proud officer I was getting\h
promoted the captain when I was uh deployed and\h\h

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you still love your country don't you absolutely\h
after a tour of Duty in Afghanistan grush moved\h\h

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into the shadowy world of military intelligence I\h
was an Intel officer for the U.S for 14 years my\h\h

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last position which I left in April of 2023\h
I co-led the UAP portfolio for the National\h\h

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geospatial Intelligence Agency and some of\h
the highest officials within the Department\h\h

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of Defense and intelligence Community used to call\h
on me to advise them on some of the hardest Target\h\h

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sets that the country had you are one of the most\h
trusted former intelligence officials in the U.S\h\h

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defense and intelligence establishment yes I was\h
you were trusted with the most Intimate Secrets\h\h

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yes well we're coming up to three weeks no\h
rice and I'm fascinated by the fact that we\h\h

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have not had a peep from the Pentagon or the\h
intelligence Community there's been absolutely\h\h

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no attempt by the dod or the IC to lay a glove on\h
The credibility of David grush the best we've had\h\h

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to date is a somewhat speculative psychological\h
profile by a bunch of psychologists who think\h\h

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that Dave's Body Language is deceptive and I just\h
think what they've done is albeit its legitimate I\h\h

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guess it doesn't take into account the um uh quite\h
understandable differences between somebody who\h\h

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on Dave's admission he's autistic and he was\h
also talking about the most incredible story\h\h

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in human history I I think he can be excused\h
for feeling slightly nervous and look while\h\h

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we're talking about Dave just from the last\h
few minutes Marco Rubio senator Marco Rubio\h\h

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the Florida senator who sits on the Senate Select\h
Committee for intelligence he has just confirmed\h\h

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in an interview with Matt Laszlo that David\h
grush is the first UAP whistleblower who's\h\h

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followed the correct vetting process he's been\h
incredibly vetted and been referred on to Congress\h\h

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um basically he acknowledged in the question\h
answer with Matt that the inspector General has\h\h

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seen it as an urgent and credible threat and so\h
that's how it's been referred to us and Matt asked\h\h

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hear from him would you be seeking to depose him\h
behind closed doors and the senator replies well\h\h

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we've begun that process obviously it's up to the\h
chairman to decide but we've already begun that\h\h

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process and he's interviewed with staff already\h
so we have now on the record confirmation from\h\h

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one of the senior members of the Senate Select\h
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referred by the Inspector General as an urgent and\h
credible complaint and more importantly that the\h\h

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interrogation the depositions have already begun\h
so it's very important I think that people just\h\h

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take a deep breath and let the process in Congress\h
take its course my friend because whilst all of us\h\h

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I think would like this to be resolved tomorrow\h
and see the President coming to the lectern\h\h

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and The West Wing and making an announcement I\h
honestly don't think we're ever going to see that\h\h

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unless uh Congress the Senate oversight committees\h
do their job properly and take the time to\h\h

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properly depose David grush and more importantly\h
follow up on the leads that he's provided them\h\h

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I'll go you one more I think we eventually are\h
going to see a president have to get to that\h\h

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lectern and and talk about it but if it's Biden\h
he'll have to go Kicking and Screaming because\h\h

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first a lot of this has to be dealt with but\h
you know just to follow up on what you were\h\h

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talking about um grush uh has been acknowledged\h
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he was saying yes uh we want to have him in\h
to tell his story I guess again because I was\h\h

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under the impression he had already spoken to\h
the Senate intelligence committee um and that\h\h

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would be behind closed doors is that what you're\h
hearing a lot of people are missing this point\h\h

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as we've repeatedly said Bryce yeah the\h
evidence that David grush gave to the Senate\h\h

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Select Committee for intelligence was done only\h
with staffers in the room you didn't have the\h\h

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senators in the room okay and that's one of the\h
reasons why it's been very difficult for them\h\h

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in the early days and the first week or so to\h
make any comment because they've been reliant\h\h

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on their staffers to essentially brief them on\h
what transpired with Mr grush coming forward to\h\h

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the Senate but my understanding is that Mr grush\h
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permanent Select Committee for intelligence and\h
some of that was done in front of Representatives\h\h

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but more importantly he was able to go into a lot\h
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cleared with the high-level security clearances in\h
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um yes we now have official confirmation from\h
Senator Rubio that this is indeed something\h\h

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that was referred properly and correctly and\h
referred properly by the Inspector General\h\h

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to the Senate Select Committee for intelligence\h
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the Senate Select Committee for intelligence\h
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so for all the hysterical speculation online that\h
uh Dave grush is a victim of disinformation let's\h\h

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just re-emphasize one thing that I think again\h
people are missing in the Inspector General for\h\h

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the intelligence community's investigations the\h
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isn't just based on the assertions of Mr grush\h
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General has called in camera in a secure facility\h
where they've been able to depose Witnesses and\h\h

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get them to give evidence under oath and their\h
testimony has backed Mr grush and my understanding\h\h

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is that some of those people who have testified\h
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and I'm saying this not from information\h
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sources that I have who've told me what they're\h
aware of which is that there are people from the\h\h

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Legacy program coming forward giving evidence\h
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because the IG is sufficiently cleared one of the\h
problems with the Congress we do know that there's\h\h

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going to be an oversight committee the house\h
oversight committee uh hearing and uh I think\h\h

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it's called to be honest uh the full name just\h
so we're clear is the um uh the house oversight\h\h

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committee and the chairman of that is James Comer\h
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is Tim burchett the Tennessee representative and\h
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like to have an open public hearing but um my\h
understanding is that uh it's hoped that Mr grush\h\h

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will be able to testify that certainly Mr grush's\h
intention and it may be because of the level of\h\h

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um security classification that exists on some of\h
the things that Mr grash wants to talk about the\h\h

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committee will have to go and closed hearing for\h
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and good on him is that Tim burchett has made it\h
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as open as possible I don't have a date yet but\h
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sometime in July so frankly things are proceeding\h
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let the processes of government take their course\h
one of the the key questions Bryce and Marco Rubio\h\h

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was asked this in his press conference is whether\h
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by the Senate Select Committee for intelligence\h
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clout it's got the authority to really dig into\h
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whether the chairman of the committee uh decides\h
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uh whether he decides that it's legitimate\h
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to be honest with you and say that I'm skeptical\h
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will be prepared to hold public hearings and I\h
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the public interest needs to hold the congress's\h
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Urgent allegations it's incumbent on the Congress\h
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frankly it's far too serious the implications\h
of some of the things that he's alleged which\h\h

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are criminal in nature or properly to be being\h
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congress with all members in attendance listen I\h
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grush's compelling testimony that he basically\h
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forward to him being under oath uh talking in a\h
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that story as he can I think it will go a long\h
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talking about his body language and so forth and\h
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the hearings on the body language thing I watched\h
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I look at his body language just fine he looked\h
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and personal so when I see people saying well\h
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this is my conclusion I mean for crying out loud\h
imagine that you've given up your career basically\h\h

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to turn into a whistleblower where you're going\h
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in history and then you go have to talk about it\h
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mean hell if I said what what grush said I'm sure\h
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all wrong I I saw a man who was telling the truth\h
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are we on a track for some kind of dueling\h
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intelligence committee frankly has people who\h
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about that before that they seem to be bringing a\h
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the house committee uh you know the two people\h
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representative Luna and representative Burchette\h
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but their their partisan uh pretty much on most\h
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is the right venue and who determines that who\h
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go first that's a very good question and look\h
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going to see public hearings that allow Mr grush\h
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um the the simple fact is that we are at a\h
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talk there are events unfolding in Moscow that are\h
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senate in particular who have a huge concern about\h
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everything's wiped off the front page right now\h
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me that things are an incredibly dangerous right\h
now we are at an incredibly precarious moment in\h\h

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history where Russia the Russian Federation is in\h
danger of falling apart and a coup d'etat there is\h\h

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a direct challenge by pragosan to President Putin\h
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in Moscow so let's just wait and see what comes\h
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members of the the senate in particular who are\h
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are distracted right now and I've been aware\h
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also escalating you know there's real concern for\h
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a nuclear reactor and if that does result in\h
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very senior members of the Senate have pledged\h
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attack on NATO so we are very clear at the moment\h
price at a moment in human history where we are\h\h

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possibly in a more dangerous period in terms of\h
the possible deployment of nuclear weapons that\h\h

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in in and then at any other time in our history\h
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for being slightly distracted right now what\h
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who are genuinely motivated to get to the bottom\h
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as they can do it um I'm told that uh there's\h
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Dane Johnson did a fantastic story earlier on\h
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Senator gillibrand has foreshadowed which in some\h
way is going to compel private aerospace companies\h\h

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to be more forthcoming about any technology that\h
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I'm told that there is some very interesting\h
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gillibrand that will signal a new toughness by the\h
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on the subject I should resolve one thing that\h
people have been asking me a lot online which is\h\h

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what's happened to the interviews that we've done\h
and just to explain Bryce and I have done a um if\h\h

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you like a preparatory interview with Mr grash the\h
day before we did the news Nation interview and at\h\h

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some stage I think Bryce we're going to run that\h
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when and if we run that but the um uh the news\h
Nation interview is news Nations copyright one\h\h

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of the compromises I have to make as a freelance\h
investigative journalist is news Nation we're good\h\h

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enough to fund at enormous cost by the way the\h
deployment of film Crews and the transportation of\h\h

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people to essentially facilitate the interview\h
and then the post-production and editing\h\h

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Tonight Show and Tell take what for the first\h
time a former senior Military Intelligence\h\h

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officer comes forward to say what we've\h
only imagined is true you are saying\h\h

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to the human race for the first time we are\h
not alone we're definitely not alone claims\h\h

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that our government has proof of alien life we\h
have spacecraft from another species we do yeah\h\h

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how many quite a number some are landed\h
some are crashed allegations of a secret\h\h

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government program that's hidden the truth\h
and the technology from the world there's\h\h

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a sophisticated uh disinformation campaign\h
targeting the U.S populace which is extremely\h\h

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unethical and immoral and it's totally totally\h
frightening from Roswell to the present day

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there are non-prosaic cases 100 unexplainable\h
I mean this is like tangible technical craft\h\h

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they're seeing is this decorated officer a liar\h
why should we believe you a fool is it possible\h\h

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that you're deluding yourself or a hero I'm\h
a patriot and I believe the truth to power\h\h

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in this prepare to have your mind blown we're\h
talking about the biggest secret in human history\h\h

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we are not alone the UFO whistleblower speaks\h
and so that uh story that they've run I think\h\h

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they've been protecting the copyright of that\h
story online and frankly it's their copyright\h\h

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to protect they're entitled to do that I'm told\h
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some stage in the near future and I certainly hope\h
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interesting and obviously uh if they aren't\h
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to run longer versions of the Q and I that I the\h
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is that I think I speak for both of us Bryce we're\h
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nobody's I understand there's not some dark force\h
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video be taken down it's um simply a news company\h
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because people don't understand under fair use\h
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story and I I can completely understand why\h
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in its entirety and I know they're contemplating\h
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interview being run as well I would have\h
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he wanted with the rest of the interview that\h
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a moment though and explain to people a little\h
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interview because there is a lot of confusion\h
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um I had had been talking with Ross uh for a long\h
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name and then uh in May uh it became clear it was\h
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he was going to speak to the to Ross for the news\h
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is there was a decision that hey maybe he'll get\h
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will come up or God forbid we show up at the news\h
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Marshals there to arrest him and take him away\h
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of a feeling at that lunch we had that we ought\h
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nothing else that that we would have some tape\h
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afternoon and uh literally I called my son who's\h
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camera come on over to the house and let's do\h
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a couple of hours as I recall it so you've spoken\h
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Legacy UFO program correct you're saying that\h
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technology yes the assessment was non-human\h
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retrieved non-human material and craft that we\h
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we do and then of course the next day uh there\h
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you know from my feeling it felt like about three\h
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of tape which is something I shouldn't have quite\h
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very similar now the difference is obviously uh\h
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about how he wanted to say things and and frankly\h
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very smooth and and it's wonderful and I I wish\h
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that people can see it but under no circumstances\h
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a lot of there's some hemming and Hauling there's\h
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microphone that's not working uh people need to\h
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that happen so I don't think there's three and\h
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and I am in favor of the transparency of letting\h
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thing it's not like um people shoot something and\h
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mean what Ross was trying to do is find a platform\h
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in the best possible way I mean uh first of all\h
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news Nation they did a beautiful job but second\h
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want the quality to be good so I think things have\h
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I want to assure everybody who's listening to this\h
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Not Alone on news Nation where Ross interviewed\h
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there some other things he might have said yes are\h
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his answers yes but the highlights are there so\h
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as Ross said there aren't any government agents\h
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there's only the idea that it all needs to work be\h
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the copyright but here's what's interesting and\h
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Nation did pay for the cameraman they paid for the\h
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the understanding that Ross had with news Nation\h
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we shot the day before and nobody controls that\h
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necessary to put out that we're going to do it\h
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resolved that because I think there's a lot of\h
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that frankly are unwarranted now there's\h
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um uh our good friend Chris sharp from Liberation\h
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it was posted on the 22nd and he was talking about\h
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has asserted that there is no restriction to\h
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office receiving any part or present UAP related\h
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rebuttal to David grush's claims that he was the\h
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separate body the UAP task force now I've double\h
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that the key word in that response from Susan Goff\h
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receiving any information it's the difference\h
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he was on the UAP task force was proactive he\h
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up leads which is what we all want we want this\h
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set out to do and this is why I think arrow is\h
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an organization that is presiding over a cover-up\h
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goth from the Pentagon asserting that there is no\h
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on people coming forward what David grush was\h
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and seeking to interview people in those programs\h
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they knew and it's what he found I understand\h
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when he sought access to what those people were\h
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intelligence community and the dod so I'm sorry I\h
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is being disingenuous and what she asserts\h
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um she also um makes much of the fact that um\h
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for what's called title 10 or title 50 access\h
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that would give them access to access certain\h
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checked this this morning I'm I'm assured that\h
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have it already he's probably already got title\h
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of the difficulties for Arrow at the moment is\h
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intelligence Community Ron Moultrie and if the\h
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cover-up going on in the intelligence Community\h
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about this so I just question and whether Dr\h
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for Arrow to be given the title 10 title 50 access\h
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not just knock on doors and say oh can I come\h
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the other side because that's what we need and\h
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raised concerns about the fact that the UAP\h
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Arrow report to USD the office of the under\h
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has previously said USD is the one office that has\h
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whistleblowers and it's noted in Chris's story\h
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2023 means or perhaps requires that the arrow\h
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report instead to the deputy director the\h
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on all operational and security matters relating\h
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implemented meaning that the arrow still reports\h
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intelligence and security and I'm sorry to sound\h
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this matters is because essentially it's setting\h
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investigating uaps actively investigate something\h
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under secretary for defense intelligence and\h
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cover-up that's what we're talking about here\h
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goff's statement and the you know without I didn't\h
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really saying the Department of Defense doesn't\h
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which is very different if arrow and its leader\h
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out that David grush did then he would know more\h
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it or do I have this wrong straighten me out Ross\h
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it's very very disingenuous for her to make this\h
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any virus verifiable information to substantiate\h
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reverse engineering of extraterrestrial materials\h
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of course Arrow hasn't discovered it because\h
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interest in discovering it and I don't think the\h
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to I don't think that USD had any interest in\h
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there is an active cover-up going on inside\h
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Community why ask yourself why why would the head\h
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something that would not please his Masters I\h
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arrow to do its job properly and I think it should\h
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just joining us arrow is the all domain anomaly\h
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I don't think so because we know well I\h
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engineering program that is hidden behind waived\h
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to and I think at the heart of all of this my\h
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the bottle will the house permanent select\h
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select committee intelligence have the bottle to\h
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corridors of power and get to the truth of\h
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I have to just break in here and say we're\h
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um I've never heard have the bottle what does this\h
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um it's a reference to Dutch courage you know yeah\h
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so much from this podcast I'm not learning\h
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about a Australian American relations Hey listen\h
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to you said it at length in our last episode and\h
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the idea that criminality exists it's not just\h
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the nature of reality and how we see ourselves\h
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been committed in keeping this secret but Russ\h
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it we haven't been specific and I've had a few\h
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what do we mean by criminality are we saying\h
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what what criminality are we potentially alleging\h
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killed murdered to protect this secret and I'll\h
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they they have strong grounds for suspicion\h
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allegation of criminality by any definition um the\h
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there's been attempts to hide things off the\h
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one of the great things about your Constitution\h
is it has these checks and balances built into\h\h

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it because the fathers of the Constitution the\h
people who wrote the American Constitution were\h\h

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writing with a very recent memory of the tyranny\h
of English kings who frankly just did whatever\h\h

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the hell they wanted locked people up in jail\h
arbitrarily stole people's property without\h\h

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any compensation and this American Constitution\h
was born out of a recognition that the needed to\h\h

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be checks and controls on abuses of power and if\h
it is the case that Congress is still ultimately\h\h

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the top power in America it has the right to\h
inquire into allegations of criminality such\h\h

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as those made by David grush illegalities the\h
assumption that there's been money diverted\h\h

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for causes and purposes that the Congress have\h
not been properly accounted for those are things\h\h

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that are if indeed there's been an attempt to\h
subvert that accountability that is a contempt\h\h

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of the Congress and and this is why this matters\h
I'm I'm sorry I probably sound like an old law\h\h

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student or a but you know I I was schooled in your\h
beautiful Constitution the American Constitution\h\h

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is a beautiful document and it enshrines laws\h
and rights and powers and it recognizes that\h\h

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Congress is essentially Sovereign it controls your\h
government and it's not the Pentagon that controls\h\h

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the government it's not the intelligence community\h
that controls the government it's the Congress and\h\h

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when I say Congress needs to find the bottle\h
it needs to find the courage to actually start\h\h

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rattling the cage and asking these questions\h
because I'm not persuaded that it's going to I\h\h

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think at the moment there is so many distractions\h
internationally Russia Ukraine China Taiwan Iran\h\h

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will Iran build a nuclear weapon by the end\h
of this year and will the Israelis let them\h\h

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we're in a a period of international history\h
we were slowly whether we like it or not moving\h\h

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towards a possible conflagration and God forbid\h
that it goes nuclear and the the thing is I can\h\h

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kind of understand why the National Security\h
establishment is distracted right now and they\h\h

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they don't want to have to account for the fact\h
that they've been lying through their teeth for\h\h

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decades about recovered technology and um I\h
I I'm not making excuses for them that I can\h\h

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see why there is prevarication inside the\h
Congress about whether now is a good time\h\h

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well I mean it's hardly a slow news day as we say\h
in the Broadcast News business I mean with all the\h\h

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things you just mentioned and I I honestly believe\h
we need to take that into consideration this is a\h\h

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look nobody picks their timing okay this UFO issue\h
has been boiling for 80 years 70 years at a high\h\h

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boil and uh this may just be the time where it's\h
it's due to come out uh you don't pick your time\h\h

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uh it's not great the whole Ukraine thing Iran you\h
know all the things that you could talk about that\h\h

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are going on it is uncomfortable to drop UFOs\h
into it and that's a subject we will be talking\h\h

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about quite often uh here on the need to know\h
podcast but I just had one other thought about\h\h

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a potential illegality I know that we have\h
a lot of laws in the United States uh about\h\h

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how the defense Department is supposed to for\h
example spend its money uh if you want to build\h\h

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a bomber you're supposed to have a competitive\h
bidding situation going on so I wonder if it's\h\h

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illegal to if you have if the U.S government\h
had a craft of non-human origin or crafts and\h\h

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they favored one Aerospace company over others uh\h
maybe Lockheed Martin got it but nobody else did\h\h

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or something like that I think that's probably\h
illegal too just on the technicality don't you\h\h

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think Ross well I think this is one of the reasons\h
why this story is coming to the surface because I\h\h

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know there are people in corporations that and\h
I've spoken to some of them who um feel that\h\h

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there was an unfair decision made back around\h
the 1960s the 1970s to farm art technology that\h\h

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had been recovered to certain aerospace companies\h
one of them was Lockheed Martin let's let's not\h\h

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be shy about this Lockheed Martin's in this up to\h
its fingernails you know it's uh it's it's it's\h\h

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probably sitting on the technology we're talking\h
about and the um and the the interesting thing is\h\h

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that uh if you're a particularly a Silicon Valley\h
company of um great wealth uh and capabilities\h\h

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with some of the brightest people in the world\h
and you know that these aerospace companies have\h\h

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basically been sitting on this technology for\h
years and doing very little successfully with\h\h

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it I think you're perfectly entitled to question\h
one of the other issues too my friend that I'm\h\h

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told is that a lot of the alleged recoveries and\h
this is new I'm just about to reveal something new\h\h

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here I just want to flag to our audience this is\h
significant what's coming I am told that a number\h\h

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of the recoveries were done by private Aerospace\h
and so the issue then is this is not necessarily\h\h

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U.S government technology and there's a question\h
as to the intellectual property I I think quite\h\h

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properly if these companies have spent money time\h
and resources in in essentially retrieving this\h\h

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technology perhaps with the assistance of the US\h
government and with its sanction but if they've\h\h

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spent the time and the money who owns that IP\h
and does the US government have the right to\h\h

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demand access to it personally I think that um\h
in the interests of um the public interest I I\h\h

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think the the Congress at the very least should\h
be being informed there's also the fact that the\h\h

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US government I'm told has directly been involved\h
in Crash retrievals and that then technology has\h\h

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been passed on to private Aerospace but again in\h
that circumstance if a private Aerospace company\h\h

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has been working on this technology for 50 60\h
70 years what what right does the state have to\h\h

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then come back and say you know that spaceship we\h
gave you 60 years ago can we have it back please\h\h

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or can we at least know what you've done with it\h
and you know we'd quite like to share that with\h\h

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um I don't know Apple Google you know whoever uh\h
Elon Musk you know I I can understand there's a\h\h

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there's an issue here of intellectual property\h
that that is not an easy one for government to\h\h

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resolve and that's why I think everybody needs\h
to look very very closely at the legislation that\h\h

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Senator gillibrand is bringing into the house uh\h
I noticed Dean Johnson's foreshadowed it that um\h\h

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uh you know are we going to see the beginnings of\h
an impatience with the unwillingness of private\h\h

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Aerospace to be forthcoming with what it has\h
and is there a risk that those private aerospace\h\h

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companies might try to divest themselves of what\h
it is that they have before they get caught with\h\h

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it you know we are living in interesting times\h
it's not impossible based on what you say that\h\h

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the government I believe the government should\h
say give us these things back even if they gave\h\h

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them to them but that's just me but uh I believe\h
the government will ask for them back if that's\h\h

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the case then that means that uh the whole thing\h
could as many things do in this country end up\h\h

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in the Supreme Court can you imagine a Supreme\h
Court case where a private Aerospace company\h\h

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has taken their complaint that the government\h
has illegally retaken a craft that they gave\h\h

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them back in the past I mean that's that's crazy\h
stuff but I'm you know as you were talking Russ\h\h

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a couple of things hit me one is if private\h
Aerospace uh Not only was given craft but in\h\h

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fact is has retrieved their own that would mean\h
that instead of U.S government soldiers you\h\h

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might have Blackwater style security teams that\h
have been part of Crash retrieval which raises\h\h

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so many questions uh that that could be a\h
whole show but I I do think that what we\h\h

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ought to be telling people is it is entirely\h
possible that it isn't just the government\h\h

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trying not to tell people things it may be that\h
this secret has been so heavily compartmentalized\h\h

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over the years increasingly so every year that\h
vast spaces in the government knew nothing about\h\h

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it and they are legitimately trying to figure\h
out something about it and that blows my mind but\h\h

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I believe that's possible and then um as we were\h
talking about things that people are allowed uh to\h\h

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know and and shy about revealing Russ I think you\h
use the word shy okay something hit me about your\h\h

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reporting on Dave grush and the other reporting\h
let me remind everybody the way this went down\h\h

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is Ross did those interviews at the first of\h
May and because of something Dave Dave grush\h\h

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wanted to allow the prince story to break first\h
and then Ross do the exclusive inner interview\h\h

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and originally that was going to be the Wall\h
Street Journal and then the Wall Street Journal\h\h

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excuse me well the New York Times excuse me it\h
starts with the W uh The Washington Post was\h\h

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going to do it they took their three weeks or so\h
while literally you had in the can this exclusive\h\h

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interview and you're waiting for the Washington\h
Post to decide if they're in or out and then\h\h

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ultimately they decide they're out and and so does\h
the hill and so does Politico and then it ends up\h\h

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um you know being broken into debrief now\h
here's something that I find to be very\h\h

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interesting the reporters who wrote the\h
debrief article and and had taken it to\h\h

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those various uh journalistic institutions\h
first were Leslie Kane and Ralph Blumenthal\h\h

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and I saw an interview uh that Leslie Kane had\h
done where she literally almost took umbrage\h\h

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that somebody would expect that if she'd heard\h
about bodies being recovered it should be in her\h\h

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report it wasn't in her report there was nothing\h
in that debrief report about bodies but Dave grush\h\h

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in his interview with you Ross did talk about\h
bodies and there's another reporter a Michael\h\h

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schellenberger who is written on this topic\h
too who also said that he voluntarily did not\h\h

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include in his report the concept that bodies had\h
been recovered all right so you have Leslie Kane\h\h

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Michael schellenberger both of whom are legitimate\h
investigative reporters both of whom said well I'm\h\h

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not going to go there and talk about bodies in\h
this story why not Ross I don't get it if if I\h\h

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knew for a fact that there was a whistleblower\h
who was a legitimate individual making these\h\h

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claims and they told me that bodies had been\h
recovered that'd be my lead I I don't understand\h\h

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it can you explain how this whole thing lays out\h
well I mean I can tell you I I was shocked when\h\h

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David admitted to me that we were talking about\h
bodies being recovered and he actually made that\h\h

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comment that well we're talking about craft and\h
normally there are people that pilot craft and so\h\h

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yes we've recovered bodies from those craft and\h
journalistically I I do I I think that's a very\h\h

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legitimate thing to raise and frankly um of course\h
I was going to ask the question I mean what are we\h\h

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suggesting here I mean I've got the utmost respect\h
for Leslie Kane and Ralph Blumenthal and I'm fast\h\h

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getting respect for Michael schellenberger\h
because he's clearly talking to some very\h\h

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well-informed sources but yeah I mean I've\h
I don't understand what they were thinking\h\h

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about when they said that they voluntarily decided\h
not to mention bodies I'm hoping none of them are\h\h

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are sort of adjusting their stories according to\h
what they perceive the public can deal with maybe\h\h

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it's the sense that too much of an ontological\h
shock might be too confronting for people and\h\h

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we have to let them in slowly but is that\h
a journalist's job I I don't know but look\h\h

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I think people would have to ask Ralph and um\h
and Leslie and Michael schellenberger what was\h\h

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going on in their minds uh it's not even clear\h
in my mind whether they actually asked uh David\h\h

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about the body's question and I they've never\h
clarified but frankly my position is it's entirely\h\h

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journalistically legitimate I wouldn't be doing my\h
job I wouldn't be doing my job if somebody tells\h\h

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me that I've been recovered craft of course the\h
first question you're going to ask is um if there\h\h

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were craft were there bodies I I so agree with\h
you the the idea that journalistically you should\h\h

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somehow stay away from that I because it might\h
be too much ontological shock I mean for crying\h\h

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out loud I mean even subtracting bodies out of\h
the equation you got a guy saying there has been\h\h

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crash uh wreckage there have been retrievals by\h
uh groups that are charged with doing that there\h\h

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have been intact craft recovered and that there's\h
reverse engineering going on I mean oh yeah but\h\h

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we don't want to tell you about the bodies I'm\h
sorry uh I don't I don't buy that at all uh I\h\h

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I can't comprehend why it wasn't in the written\h
report uh and and frankly uh as the journalist\h\h

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in me is screaming to go find out more about that\h
because the truth is craft are interesting and in\h\h

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fact I suppose if you're a military guy the craft\h
may be the most interesting thing because that's\h\h

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technology and you can use and under stand and\h
learn from technology and apply it to creating\h\h

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systems that make you uh a more of a threat to\h
your own enemies and as you just said we're in\h\h

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a really tough time here on planet Earth so I can\h
understand that but the bodies tell us something\h\h

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entirely different they tell us literally we're\h
not alone in the universe because look that person\h\h

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that creature that individual that nhi whatever\h
you want to call them they're not us a technology\h\h

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can come from different places so I I just don't\h
get it and uh I'm gonna ride this body thing I'm\h\h

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not giving up on it I don't think you are either\h
people can expect to hear more about it here\h\h

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yeah I mean I don't think we should be censoring\h
ourselves as journalists and not talking about\h\h

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certain aspects of the phenomenon because we're\h
worried that it might be so confronting that\h\h

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people won't believe it uh it's not up to us\h
to um make a story more believable by adding\h\h

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or withdrawing evidence the only thing to do is to\h
actually include the evidence that is pertinent to\h\h

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the story can I give you another example to Bryce\h
of an area where I think the media is displaying\h\h

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a displaying lack of con curiosity um there was\h
a a great drop this week from Jeremy Cordell and\h\h

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George Knapp it was a a letter written by Larry\h
McGuire MP back in March this year I've known\h\h

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about this letter for some months and um uh a\h
lot of of us were surprised actually that it came\h\h

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public uh in the last week or so but look frankly\h
now that it's out we can talk about it it's a\h\h

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letter from Larry McGuire who's a Canadian MP and\h
he actually told the minister of since in Canada\h\h

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in a letter which is not classified so there's no\h
security classification on it that firstly he was\h\h

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aware through meetings with American officials\h
that there had been hearings with government and\h\h

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Military subject matter experts on the recovery\h
and exploitation of physical material from uaps\h\h

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um he raised his concerns that it it the\h
there could be quote expected upcoming\h\h

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public announcements to be coordinated between\h
orcas the Australia UK U.S agreement which could\h\h

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damage Canada's credibility with our allies on\h
the global stage and he also said as minister\h\h

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of National Defense you may not be aware defense\h
research and development Canada that's drdc Canada\h\h

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has participated in efforts to analyze UAP which\h
is current which is publicly traceable to Circa\h\h

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1950. this recovered foreign material is studied\h
through the five eyes foreign material program the\h\h

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FMP which in Canada is sponsored by the Canadian\h
Forces intelligence command aligned with several\h\h

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intelligence sharing arrangements and treaties I\h
am writing to recommend you request a classified\h\h

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briefing containing full sensitive and protective\h
program information from your officials on the\h\h

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government of Canada's historical and ongoing\h
efforts on analyzing recovered UAP material\h\h

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now Bryce just to emphasize I know a lot about\h
this case I know a lot more than said in that\h\h

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letter what Mr McGuire is saying is correct\h
Canada has been secretly involved in a reverse\h\h

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engineering program of retrieved non-human\h
technology with the United States of America\h\h

498
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and what astounds me is this letter can become\h
public and as Jeremy Corbell and George Neff\h\h

499
00:53:02,220 --> 00:53:08,040
have been screaming from the rooftops in the\h
last week or so wake up people this is a very\h\h

500
00:53:08,040 --> 00:53:13,800
very very important letter it's essentially an\h
acknowledgment by a member of the parliament\h\h

501
00:53:13,800 --> 00:53:21,720
of Canada that he knows something about Canada's\h
collaboration in efforts to analyze UAP that's not\h\h

502
00:53:21,720 --> 00:53:29,460
something he's derived from newspaper clippings\h
or speculative books it's a briefing he's derived\h\h

503
00:53:29,460 --> 00:53:36,120
from individuals that he has spoken to and I I\h
know there are good journalists in Canberra Who\h\h

504
00:53:36,120 --> 00:53:41,400
as a can of Canada who are starting to dig into\h
this and I'm just hoping they can get to the\h\h

505
00:53:41,400 --> 00:53:48,780
bottom of it because there is a very interesting\h
Trail there where if they dig they will find\h\h

506
00:53:50,160 --> 00:53:55,680
you know Ross part of what's going on here is\h
there is so much going on I can barely keep up\h\h

507
00:53:55,680 --> 00:54:00,900
with it and it's literally my job right now to try\h
to keep up with it there's just so much going on\h\h

508
00:54:00,900 --> 00:54:09,900
listen I know we're getting and by the way uh hats\h
off again to uh corbel and Knapp for for breaking\h\h

509
00:54:09,900 --> 00:54:16,020
that letter out that's a really powerful piece of\h
evidence you are alleging that the U.S government\h\h

510
00:54:16,020 --> 00:54:25,800
has been concealing the existence on this planet\h
of alien life I would couch it as non-human\h\h

511
00:54:25,800 --> 00:54:30,180
intelligence you know nhi like we would like\h
to say in our our language why do you say that\h\h

512
00:54:30,180 --> 00:54:35,100
why do you say nhi I don't want to necessarily\h
denote origin I don't think we have all the data\h\h

513
00:54:35,100 --> 00:54:41,460
to say oh they're coming from a certain a certain\h
location and I and I I couch it as somebody who\h\h

514
00:54:41,460 --> 00:54:46,200
studied physics where maybe they're coming from\h
a different physical Dimension as described in\h\h

515
00:54:46,200 --> 00:54:52,320
quantum mechanics we know there's extra Dimensions\h
due to higher high energy particle collisions\h\h

516
00:54:52,320 --> 00:54:55,920
Etc and there's a theoretical framework to\h
explain that yeah just let me cut to the quick\h\h

517
00:54:55,920 --> 00:55:02,880
though you're saying there is an intelligent\h
species engaging with this planet yes that's\h\h

518
00:55:02,880 --> 00:55:07,920
potentially extraterrestrial yeah I speak\h
for everybody sitting at home that is a shock\h\h

519
00:55:08,460 --> 00:55:15,600
it was to me and I had a lot of sleepless nights I\h
know we're out of time so what I'm going to do is\h\h

520
00:55:15,600 --> 00:55:20,100
I just have a couple of final concluding thoughts\h
I wanted to lay out there on the table and then\h\h

521
00:55:20,100 --> 00:55:28,200
you can do the same and and we can take it on home\h
um I I like to think that I've had a extraordinary\h\h

522
00:55:29,280 --> 00:55:37,440
month or more now where I got to meet Dave\h
Crush I got to be a participant uh in in\h\h

523
00:55:37,440 --> 00:55:44,520
observing this historic moment where Ross put him\h
exclusively on television uh it was something and\h\h

524
00:55:44,520 --> 00:55:50,940
my conclusion is for what it's worth Dave grush\h
is telling the truth now I know we are still at\h\h

525
00:55:50,940 --> 00:55:57,000
a place where we have to prove that and uh to\h
the satisfaction of people and I believe that\h\h

526
00:55:57,000 --> 00:56:02,820
that ultimately is going to happen but for\h
me I see the man as a truth teller secondly

527
00:56:04,560 --> 00:56:10,500
ufology if you want to call it that over the\h
years has historically been obsessed with one\h\h

528
00:56:10,500 --> 00:56:16,320
thing trying to prove that UFOs are real I mean if\h
you look at most UFO books over the years they've\h\h

529
00:56:16,320 --> 00:56:24,180
been only one thing prove UFOs are real um I\h
think we are starting to move beyond that we\h\h

530
00:56:24,180 --> 00:56:29,760
don't know everything about them we don't know who\h
these other individuals are that are piloting them\h\h

531
00:56:29,760 --> 00:56:37,320
we don't know um all of that but we are rapidly\h
moving to a place where it's not about proving\h\h

532
00:56:37,320 --> 00:56:42,840
they're real it's about understanding them and\h
and trying to analyze what it's going to mean\h\h

533
00:56:42,840 --> 00:56:49,680
for the future that we're all about to live in\h
and I have to say candidly in this last month\h\h

534
00:56:50,760 --> 00:56:57,480
honestly folks I've had more than a few moments\h
where I literally just have to sit down in my\h\h

535
00:56:57,480 --> 00:57:05,700
quiet house and start to contemplate what's\h
really happening here and and what does it\h\h

536
00:57:05,700 --> 00:57:12,180
mean to me what does it mean to you what about my\h
family you know I have children what's their world\h\h

537
00:57:12,180 --> 00:57:19,140
going to look like is this world going to be a\h
better one or a worse one and frankly is there\h\h

538
00:57:19,140 --> 00:57:25,260
anything that any of us can do to impact that I\h
just have so many questions swirling around so\h\h

539
00:57:25,260 --> 00:57:31,080
the one thing I just want to lay out there is um\h
I may not be the world's greatest investigative\h\h

540
00:57:31,080 --> 00:57:39,300
journalist I try and I've certainly done my share\h
of it but I try to be in touch with my feelings\h\h

541
00:57:39,300 --> 00:57:44,760
and I know a lot of you must be starting to feel\h
the things that I'm feeling where you ask yourself\h\h

542
00:57:46,620 --> 00:57:53,760
what's happening is this real if this is real I\h
can't even believe this and I'm going to try to\h\h

543
00:57:53,760 --> 00:58:00,660
be there and go on that Journey with you I mean I\h
guess that's my pledge I I I feel like it's time\h\h

544
00:58:00,660 --> 00:58:07,680
for us to look to the Future even as we cover\h
this story in the present and um and Ross I got\h\h

545
00:58:07,680 --> 00:58:12,720
to tell you um I blame you for all this because\h
you're the guy that introduced me to Dave Crush\h\h

546
00:58:12,720 --> 00:58:18,540
although I knew this I've known I've known much\h
of what he said for 30 years but to hear him say\h\h

547
00:58:18,540 --> 00:58:24,780
it and to be going on television shows talking\h
about it man this has been quite a life-changing\h\h

548
00:58:24,780 --> 00:58:30,540
experience really I don't have this utopian\h
ideology that this is going to you know solve\h\h

549
00:58:30,540 --> 00:58:37,380
world problems stop War entirely but all I want is\h
a moment of pause and to see if the subject unites\h\h

550
00:58:37,380 --> 00:58:42,600
us as we've obviously become more divided over\h
the last couple decades because if anything else\h\h

551
00:58:43,440 --> 00:58:49,920
what you're revealing I mean we all start\h
thinking of ourselves not as American Australian\h\h

552
00:58:49,920 --> 00:58:58,500
Russian Chinese that is human human family I\h
think that's uh totally the right term yeah\h\h

553
00:58:59,460 --> 00:59:05,880
I mean I still think as a journalist this is\h
the biggest story of human history it's it's\h\h

554
00:59:05,880 --> 00:59:11,700
massive the implications of what Mr grash is\h
alleging are enormous if he's telling the truth\h\h

555
00:59:11,700 --> 00:59:18,120
what we are talking about is a paradigm shift\h
in Humanity's understanding of its Origins and\h\h

556
00:59:18,120 --> 00:59:25,740
our place in the universe uh it's the end of a\h
humanocentric view of the world um it's exciting\h\h

557
00:59:25,740 --> 00:59:31,320
because it offers the possibility that we may be\h
able to harness new technologies and I think at\h\h

558
00:59:31,320 --> 00:59:39,180
the heart of all of this is a vexing question why\h
the secrecy why has this been kept to Under Wraps\h\h

559
00:59:39,180 --> 00:59:47,340
we now know after years of denial by the U.S Air\h
Force in particular that the phenomenon is real\h\h

560
00:59:47,340 --> 00:59:52,980
we've been lied to as David grush has told\h
us there's been a long disinformation effort\h\h

561
00:59:52,980 --> 00:59:58,680
by the U.S intelligence Community to treat this\h
subject with ridicule and taboo and even though\h\h

562
00:59:58,680 --> 01:00:04,980
three weeks into David grush's allegations being\h
made public most of the mainstream media is still\h\h

563
01:00:04,980 --> 01:00:11,640
failing to engage with this topic why have the\h
New York Times with a couple of rare exceptions\h\h

564
01:00:11,640 --> 01:00:18,000
in their op-ed Pages the new Washington Post and\h
all of the major newspapers in America failed to\h\h

565
01:00:18,000 --> 01:00:24,960
engage with this subject similarly with the top\h
three networks in the U.S NBC ABC CBS what's going\h\h

566
01:00:24,960 --> 01:00:30,180
on here is it because they're so captive to the\h
National Security establishment that they feel\h\h

567
01:00:30,180 --> 01:00:36,000
that they can't offend their sources by asking\h
entirely legitimate questions because we are\h\h

568
01:00:36,000 --> 01:00:41,880
now add a burden of proof where as Michio Kaku\h
the respected and renowned physicist has said\h\h

569
01:00:41,880 --> 01:00:48,480
the burden of proof is now on the debunkers to\h
prove the opposite and I I think we're at a really\h\h

570
01:00:48,480 --> 01:00:55,080
interesting moment in human history here because\h
as I've said earlier the big test for me is going\h\h

571
01:00:55,080 --> 01:01:02,640
to be whether the Congress does its job is it just\h
going to sweep this back under the carpet and rely\h\h

572
01:01:02,640 --> 01:01:07,860
on the fact that it's not getting Traction in\h
some of the mainstream media is it going to try\h\h

573
01:01:07,860 --> 01:01:13,800
and sweep it back under the carpet and I I can\h
warn you if they try and do that it's dangerous\h\h

574
01:01:14,400 --> 01:01:20,160
because it was it's in the long run it's going to\h
I think contaminate the institutions of government\h\h

575
01:01:20,160 --> 01:01:28,380
because the public perception of a government that\h
continues to maintain a cover-up is not a good one\h\h

576
01:01:28,380 --> 01:01:35,640
here is a great opportunity for a leader a true\h
leader to come out and publicly acknowledge what\h\h

577
01:01:35,640 --> 01:01:42,420
is very quickly becoming very very clear that\h
David grush is telling the truth yeah and that\h\h

578
01:01:42,420 --> 01:01:49,260
his allegations should be fully investigated and\h
that the programs that are being hidden should be\h\h

579
01:01:49,260 --> 01:01:57,300
exposed and the Aerospace is companies that are\h
concealing non-human technology should be outed\h\h

580
01:01:57,300 --> 01:02:04,380
this is not going to go away and despite the\h
very considerable efforts by sections of the\h\h

581
01:02:04,380 --> 01:02:09,960
intelligence and defense Community to essentially\h
backlash and play down the whole story with\h\h

582
01:02:09,960 --> 01:02:18,960
ridicule and stigma and contempt it's still here\h
and after three weeks nobody has laid a glove on\h\h

583
01:02:18,960 --> 01:02:24,660
Dave grush's credibility so it's incumbent\h
now on the Congress to properly investigate\h\h

584
01:02:25,680 --> 01:02:29,640
well Ross thanks for being my partner on\h
this journey I can't wait to see where\h\h